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Příspěvekod drax » 16 črc 2015 20:47

jsou zde hlasy že uprava zuřivosti + zbroj barbarovy moc ke konkurenceschopnosti nepomohla tudíž bych udělal drobný průzkum co si o něm myslíte ( ač je to jen informativní anketa lepší je písemný komentář forum nepodporuje viditelné hlasy )
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Re: barbar

Příspěvekod ShaDoOoW » 17 črc 2015 08:36

Tyto zbroje byly vymyšleny kdysi dávno aby podpořily různé povolání/buildy které se nehrály nebo aby doplnily některá povolání o to co jim chybí. S vyjímkou róby pro druida to byl totální fail. Tyto zbroje prošly během času několika úpravama poďme se na to podívat detailně.

Tilter byl naprosto nepoužitelný item a ten kdo si udělal build 30fajtr 10 něco aby mohl nosit fp +10 ac (a nic víc) zjistil že je to úplně ale úplně k hovnu a takový char nechal ihned smazat. Aktuální tilter co mžou nosit WMka je docela fajn, hned se začaly WMka hrát o něco víc. Každopádně si myslím že by to šlo i bez něj. To co nedokázal tilter za X roků totiž dokázala helma haste+síla pro bojovníka. Zbroj krve/fp+7 by funkci tiltera pohodlně zastal.

Hraničář neřešil nic, ty verze 27+ byly hodně imba ale zase měly buglou ILR a chtěly 41+ (což se později fixnulo ale X roků to bylo v tomhle stavu). Ani tak to tomu hraničářovi moc nepomohlo až se vymyslela úprava žíznivky což zapříčinilo boom hraničářů a následně se zjistilo že ty róby jsou naprosto imba a musely se rušit a upravovat. Nakonec jelikož staré imba verze (které když se to tak vezme ze začátku ani nešly nosit kvůli ILR 41+) se hráčům nesměly sebrat protože hráči nemaj soudnost tak tu máme mišmaš kdy 2 hráči mají róbu co je naprosto imba a už nikdy nepadne a s tou můžou sólnout i Arciďábla a ti ostatní nosí hraničáře prakticky jen proto že lepší alternativa stejně není.

Druid. Tohle je jediná róba která má smysl. A to proto, že dává +9/+10 AC. Taková róba by pro kohokoliv jiného byla naprosto imba, ale ne pro druida. To AC je navíc nutnost kvůli proměnám které berou do jen jeden item na AC a to ten s nejvyšším bonusem. Proto druid potřebuje něco s +9/+10AC aby mohl v druidovi slušně tankovat. Myslím že kdyby se tahle zbroj zrušila nebyl by to až takový problém, druiské proměny se tu hodně ale hodně zlepšily a ty 2 body ac by neudělaly tak velký rozdíl. Ale stejně tu není rozumná alternativa, sloty jsou druidovi na nic padají mu v proměně, a všechny róby jsou pro mnicha (což většina druidů bude ale až na max lvlu a co maj chudáci nosit do té doby?).

Barbar, totální fail ta původní verze neměla ani žádné dobré vlastnosti kromě haste které bylo u barbara vždycky poměrně snadné zajistit (boty, proč ne). Po X úpravách už je ten item o něco lepší ale zase nemá haste :D. Každopádně to co měl řešit neřeší. Nikdo si kvůli tomu že najde barbarskou zbroj +28 barbara nepostaví a taky to barbarovi nedává nic z toho co mu chybí (a to je dle mého názoru hlavně to že je strašně omezený a nudný, i ten bard má song a curse song, barbar má jen rage). Myslím že helma con+haste s podmínkou barbara by udělala víc než kterákoliv z těchto zbrojí.

Zloděj, neřeší nic. 13ctka je celkem slušná pro PM zloděje ale to jen do začátku, top to není, alternativy jsou. Tahle róba je největší fail ze všech :D to se může rovnou zrušit a nikdo to nepozná, jen bude padat o 20 trash itemů méně. A krom toho to co tato zbroj nedokázala vyřešit za X roků vyřešil můj dungeon pro zloděje.



Ty zbroje obecně jsou fail, 90% z nich je odpad stejně se nosí jen ty topové, ty low ani na expení použít nejdou protože maj sice že podmínka 10lvlů barbara ale lvl postavy to chce 20. Přitom barbarovi stačí jediná zbroj, zbroj krve akorát že to je fullplate a to barbar bez multiclassu nebo featu nemůže. Pro WMko by zbroj krve taky stačila.

Za mě, zbroje zrušit, počínaje barbarovou a zlodějskou (u dalších classů to tak snadné nebude). Ale přidat alternativy. Aktuálně tu krom té zbroje krve snad není nic dobrého. Zvlášť když barbar nemůže FP který tu má zvláštní zacházení žejo. Čisté zbroje AC jako hrudní plát +7 se myslím vyhazovaly z lootu, ale taková zbroj je stejně odpad když to padne v pokladu, proto by to chtělo začít vymyšlením nějakých nových zbrojí které by měly pro barbara smysl. Tzn medium armor, verze bez AC pro barbara mlátičku do party, verze s AC pro barbara do sólodungů pak nějaké topovky jako medium armor variantu zbroje krve (tzn aby tam bylo ac, regen, a primární staty síla nebo odolnost.

A hned potom bych zrušil hraničářskou, nahradil to nějakýma lehkýma zbrojema pro hraničáře bez monka. Ti co mají monka a jedou róbu můžou nosit ninjacu/klerickou/legendární. Ti co monka nemaj tak potřebují nějakou dobrou lehkou zbroj která by měla tyto vlastnosti: regenerace, síla, moudrost. Další možnosti jsou rezisty na fyzický (což je nutnost k tomu aby mohl hraničář na kukri do sólodungů) nebo elementární (to by mělo smysl pro hraničáře na pavouky/skálu).

Mimochodem, problém zbrojí je také v tom že tu má FP speciální zacházení kvůli bardům. FP je skládací a složit ho stojí fakt kotel mědi a to je jen čistá 8+1+7... Nicméně tato cena byla snížena myslím o 200 mědi a to není málo. Jasně, nikdo tu nebude skládat FP pro víc jak 1, max 2 postavy kvůli tomu jak je to složité získat ale jde o to že jinak by fp+7 byl naprosto dostatečný item pro WMka i pro barbary. Možná by pomohlo kdyby se 3. část +7 skládaček dala lootnout v některém z n těch lepších dungeonů, ale tak dokud jsou tu zbroje pro barbary a WM nemá to moc smysl.
Valeria Swift - nejlepší lučištnice všech dob

http://gt.neverwinter.cz/loot - Moje soukromá databáze lootu na arkhalii.
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Re: barbar

Příspěvekod drax » 17 črc 2015 11:14

inu v minulosti sem hrával zloděje a nosil róbu 28+ byla vic než užitečná je fakt že dostala nerf .. namisto +3 ac oproti top robe ma nyní +2 ale stále je to velice slušný item ( 10ac 5 regen 6dex finty )

druid. Tohle je jediná róba která má smysl. A to proto, že dává +9/+10 AC


+30 dava 9 ac top roba bez omezeni +8

zbroj krve nelze s 28+ barbar zbrojema srovnávat ;)
problematický mi přijde spíš fakt že ač má barbar lepší surv dík zbroje .. v oblasti ab /dmg barbara ale převalcuje wm kler bard paladin hrand a další ... a to u mě moc s představou barbara co navíc musí obětovat ac aby měl svuj dmg moc nesedí
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Re: barbar

Příspěvekod miniork » 01 srp 2015 17:44

tak ja u barbara nosim starou barbarskou zbroj +28 s haste a mam ab 65 a ac 65 v zurivosti. stači do toho narvat par set medi a da se s tim v poho solovat. na Tehy je to top build :D
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Re: barbar

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